Chronicle of a press conference and what appears to be a misunderstanding. Kiko's what he said to reporters a few hours after receiving the new state? He really said that you will receive the consecrated wine sitting down? Here are the words of the initiator and then what happened Sunday in the first celebration in Porto San Giorgio. Father Mario: "Bread and wine sitting"
ROME - A "yellow", sometimes born without anybody noticing. Kiko Arguello, during the press conference that greeted the final approval of the Statutes, has said or not said in the communities of the Way you will receive the consecrated bread and wine consecrated in foot seduti? Ha detto o non ha detto che nulla cambia nella Comunione al Calice e che i neocatecumenali si metteranno in piedi solamente per ricevere il pane? No, non lo ha detto. O, quantomeno, chi scrive proprio non lo ha sentito. Eppure alcune testate, e assai autorevoli, hanno riportato, se non proprio una frase virgolettata, per lo meno quel concetto: solo il pane consacrato si riceverà in piedi restando al proprio posto. “La comunione – scriveva ad esempio Zenit - in base alla pratica abituale delle comunità continuerà ad essere ricevuta sotto le due specie e viene distribuita dai ministri nell'assemblea, al posto della processione dei fedeli che si svolge in genere nel rito romano. Questa forma viene mantenuta negli Statuti definitivi, but to receive the Bread of the faithful should stand before the minister. Not so the Chalice, which will continue to receive from a sitting position. " Even Cathecumenium.it, site managed by a member of the Way (it was the first to break the news to final approval of the Statutes, on 21 May), writes: "It changes the distribution of the Blood of Christ, who, besides being confirmed , handing the chalice is carried out to the faithful sitting in place. " Yet, many argue, the new statutes in Article 13 is clear: "As regards the distribution of Holy Communion under both species, the neocatechumens receive it standing, remaining in their places." It 'obvious to all that the text of the statutes does not distinguish between bread and wine consecrated and the act of receiving the Eucharist is expected to foot. Moreover, at least from the doctrinal point of view would not be justified in any way so obvious a difference between bread (to be received standing) and wine (to be received seated).
What happened then at the press conference? Kiko's what he said? Until, eventually, a recording could shed light on the event and the exact words spoken by the founder in response to questions from reporters, the impression (and hope) the writer is that it was simply a misunderstanding. Referring to other articles for the full range statements of Kiko (interesting ones on the catechism, that is, the volume on the Guidelines for the teams of catechists), we see in detail what happened with regard to the Communion.
After a long introduction, during which Kiko has outlined a brief history of the Way, a journalist's question at the beginning of the Way to illustrate the differences between the old and new statutes, particularly with regard to Communion. Kiko said leaving "the beginning" and "origins", trying to explain that the reasons for which the Way has so far received Communion while seated. "We have so far always done from a sitting position, and not contempt - he said - but because for us it has always been very important to communicate with the blood. In fact, we carry out a community catechesis based on the Jewish Passover, with unleavened bread to signify slavery and exit from Egypt and the cup of wine to signify the Promised Land. " And here, opening a long period, the initiator has summarized his catechesis on the last supper over the bread and wine: "When in the Passover dinner, you discover the bread it comes to slavery, when it comes to the Promised Land, discover the cup, the fourth cup. Between these two moments there is a dinner that year in which Jesus said "This is My Body" (Signifying the breaking of human selfishness and slavery to the devil) and "This is My Blood" (to signify the creation of a new exodus for all mankind). Later - continued Kiko - Christians take away dinner and get together the bread and wine. Now, we have a lot of people away in the Way by the Church, not catechized, and signs of Unleavened Bread (the breaking of bread) and wine we give visibility to those meanings. " "We chose to take communion seated - Kiko said approaching the heart of the matter - especially to prevent spills on the floor of the Blood of Christ. Our fear was that if you put Wine on the ground if it had happened three times, we would have been reported and there were the forbidden. " Instead, the faithful seated, they have the time - said Kiko - to "accept the Goblet calmly and without sudden movements, to bring it to his mouth, to communicate with ease and in a solemn way." "Jesus was also sitting as sitting," said Carmen specified to its right. Meanwhile his father Mario Pezzi noted that the original decision had been taken to communicate seated in agreement with the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Cardinal Mayer, Prefect between 1984 and 1988.
At that point, once explained the origin and motivations that drove him to receive bread and wine sitting, Kiko has expanded the theme, going to talk about Arinze letter (called a "catastrophe", see other article) and the meetings with the pope, during which Benedict XVI had requested a dispensation for a caution before reading the resonance (or echo of the words) before the homily, and advance the exchange of peace, not only in the Communion without walking the procession to the altar, but each remaining in place. Here Kiko has only ever spoken of "Communion standing, and never of" bread "or" wine ". Arguello has in fact highlighted in particular the fact that the pope had given the go-ahead to the kind of compromise that provides for First Communion standing, as required by the Congregation for Divine Worship, and the other, however, exempts the Way from the procession, which instead required Arinze's letter. "Now you have to fight with the Pope Arinze, Kiko cried in conclusion, without specifying anything - once again - about alleged differences between" bread "and" wine ". And besides, reporters who listened, it became quite obvious and natural - in the presence of a text of the statute so explicit and clear - for "standing in the Communion" was meant as much bread as the wine.
followed, in a press conference, some "steps in language, with English journalists who asked to speak to the initiator of the Way in English to explain again the part related to concessions by the Holy See had about introductions, resonances, exchange of peace and Communion, as well as the fall of the provision (contained always in the Arinze letter) of the parish Mass attendance in at least one Sunday a month. It came out a question and answer in many voices (the press conference is coming at the end), in which some Italian journalists in the final barrage of questions, they expressly requested addition to the bread even if the wine would be from now on then got to his feet. It 'hard to remember the individual moments, but then point that Kiko has responded with a "We'll see, will decide the individual bishop," which probably has some relations with those reported by the media. A response to Kiko, which some journalists - among them also the writer of these lines - have interpreted as referring to those parts of the celebration neocatecumenale which remain subject to decisions of the diocesan bishop.
In fact, the Statutes of the Way Art. 13 states: "The Neocatechumenals celebrate the Sunday Eucharist in the small community, after the first vespers of Sunday. This celebration takes place in accordance with the provisions of the diocesan bishop. " Therefore subject to the explicit directives issued by the Holy See and any handouts, everything else is subject to the bishop. With regard to the Eucharist, however, as noted, the words of statutes are crystal clear: "As regards the distribution of Holy Communion under both species, the neocatechumens receive it standing, remaining in their places." Really seems to be little room for any "loopholes".
loophole that of the rest, as we have already written, do not seem to serve. As is confirmed two days after the press conference by the same father Mario Pezzi (with Kiko and Carmen, which is the international team responsible for the Neocatechumenal) during the Eucharistic celebration held on Sunday Neocatecumenale June 15 at the center of Porto San Giorgio, in the presence of Cardinal Rylko, president of the Pontifical Council for the Laity, is the bread that the wine has been received under the new rules that will be expanded over time (a few weeks, according to tradition oral) to all the communities along the route. In detail, then, came the moment of communion the priest celebrant, as always, will say: "Blessed are invited to the table of the Lord: Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world" and the faithful respond with the classic "O Lord I am not worthy to receive you but only say the word and I shall be healed. " Then the celebrant will the breaking of bread and the distribution thereof. Will move him to the place of the individual believer, who remained standing hand you hands forward: on the left hand, the celebrant will lay the piece of unleavened bread. The faithful, standing and with bread in hand, wait until it is completed the distribution of the Eucharist to all, until the celebrant, who returned to his post, says: "The body of Christ to watch over us eternal life, amen" . At that point all, standing at the same time, communicate. Having done that, and the traditional silence, take a seat. At the time of the consummation of the bread is finished, the celebrant says: "The Blood di Cristo ci custodisca per la vita eterna, amen” e berrà dal Calice, stando in piedi, con i fedeli seduti. A quel punto, inizierà la distribuzione del Sangue di Cristo: il sacerdote si recherà al posto di ogni singolo fedele, il quale si alzerà in piedi vedendolo avvicinarsi e prenderà il Calice – in piedi – per comunicarsi. Immediatamente dopo averlo fatto, tornerà nuovamente seduto, mentre il celebrante continuerà il giro dei fedeli distribuendo il Vino consacrato ai fedeli che di volta in volta si alzeranno per bere il Vino. Una volta terminato il giro, la celebrazione continuerà secondo consuetudine. Questo è quanto, al momento. Il dilemma pane/vino e in piedi/seduti sembra avere i contorni di a misunderstanding: speaking of wine to get seated, Kiko was referring to the past, trying to explain the reasons for a practice that will now change, not this one. This, of course, unless the records of the press conference did not make clear who wrote the words that are literally escaped. Beyond words
costs in this as in every other press conference, however, clear that it will be very easy to understand what the guidelines launched by the team of the Way: the communities are scattered all over Italy and the celebrations Neocatechumenals - the require the States - "shall be open to other believers." So, in a short time, just take a Saturday night free from other commitments and go see for yourself.
ROME - A "yellow", sometimes born without anybody noticing. Kiko Arguello, during the press conference that greeted the final approval of the Statutes, has said or not said in the communities of the Way you will receive the consecrated bread and wine consecrated in foot seduti? Ha detto o non ha detto che nulla cambia nella Comunione al Calice e che i neocatecumenali si metteranno in piedi solamente per ricevere il pane? No, non lo ha detto. O, quantomeno, chi scrive proprio non lo ha sentito. Eppure alcune testate, e assai autorevoli, hanno riportato, se non proprio una frase virgolettata, per lo meno quel concetto: solo il pane consacrato si riceverà in piedi restando al proprio posto. “La comunione – scriveva ad esempio Zenit - in base alla pratica abituale delle comunità continuerà ad essere ricevuta sotto le due specie e viene distribuita dai ministri nell'assemblea, al posto della processione dei fedeli che si svolge in genere nel rito romano. Questa forma viene mantenuta negli Statuti definitivi, but to receive the Bread of the faithful should stand before the minister. Not so the Chalice, which will continue to receive from a sitting position. " Even Cathecumenium.it, site managed by a member of the Way (it was the first to break the news to final approval of the Statutes, on 21 May), writes: "It changes the distribution of the Blood of Christ, who, besides being confirmed , handing the chalice is carried out to the faithful sitting in place. " Yet, many argue, the new statutes in Article 13 is clear: "As regards the distribution of Holy Communion under both species, the neocatechumens receive it standing, remaining in their places." It 'obvious to all that the text of the statutes does not distinguish between bread and wine consecrated and the act of receiving the Eucharist is expected to foot. Moreover, at least from the doctrinal point of view would not be justified in any way so obvious a difference between bread (to be received standing) and wine (to be received seated).
What happened then at the press conference? Kiko's what he said? Until, eventually, a recording could shed light on the event and the exact words spoken by the founder in response to questions from reporters, the impression (and hope) the writer is that it was simply a misunderstanding. Referring to other articles for the full range statements of Kiko (interesting ones on the catechism, that is, the volume on the Guidelines for the teams of catechists), we see in detail what happened with regard to the Communion.
After a long introduction, during which Kiko has outlined a brief history of the Way, a journalist's question at the beginning of the Way to illustrate the differences between the old and new statutes, particularly with regard to Communion. Kiko said leaving "the beginning" and "origins", trying to explain that the reasons for which the Way has so far received Communion while seated. "We have so far always done from a sitting position, and not contempt - he said - but because for us it has always been very important to communicate with the blood. In fact, we carry out a community catechesis based on the Jewish Passover, with unleavened bread to signify slavery and exit from Egypt and the cup of wine to signify the Promised Land. " And here, opening a long period, the initiator has summarized his catechesis on the last supper over the bread and wine: "When in the Passover dinner, you discover the bread it comes to slavery, when it comes to the Promised Land, discover the cup, the fourth cup. Between these two moments there is a dinner that year in which Jesus said "This is My Body" (Signifying the breaking of human selfishness and slavery to the devil) and "This is My Blood" (to signify the creation of a new exodus for all mankind). Later - continued Kiko - Christians take away dinner and get together the bread and wine. Now, we have a lot of people away in the Way by the Church, not catechized, and signs of Unleavened Bread (the breaking of bread) and wine we give visibility to those meanings. " "We chose to take communion seated - Kiko said approaching the heart of the matter - especially to prevent spills on the floor of the Blood of Christ. Our fear was that if you put Wine on the ground if it had happened three times, we would have been reported and there were the forbidden. " Instead, the faithful seated, they have the time - said Kiko - to "accept the Goblet calmly and without sudden movements, to bring it to his mouth, to communicate with ease and in a solemn way." "Jesus was also sitting as sitting," said Carmen specified to its right. Meanwhile his father Mario Pezzi noted that the original decision had been taken to communicate seated in agreement with the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Cardinal Mayer, Prefect between 1984 and 1988.
At that point, once explained the origin and motivations that drove him to receive bread and wine sitting, Kiko has expanded the theme, going to talk about Arinze letter (called a "catastrophe", see other article) and the meetings with the pope, during which Benedict XVI had requested a dispensation for a caution before reading the resonance (or echo of the words) before the homily, and advance the exchange of peace, not only in the Communion without walking the procession to the altar, but each remaining in place. Here Kiko has only ever spoken of "Communion standing, and never of" bread "or" wine ". Arguello has in fact highlighted in particular the fact that the pope had given the go-ahead to the kind of compromise that provides for First Communion standing, as required by the Congregation for Divine Worship, and the other, however, exempts the Way from the procession, which instead required Arinze's letter. "Now you have to fight with the Pope Arinze, Kiko cried in conclusion, without specifying anything - once again - about alleged differences between" bread "and" wine ". And besides, reporters who listened, it became quite obvious and natural - in the presence of a text of the statute so explicit and clear - for "standing in the Communion" was meant as much bread as the wine.
followed, in a press conference, some "steps in language, with English journalists who asked to speak to the initiator of the Way in English to explain again the part related to concessions by the Holy See had about introductions, resonances, exchange of peace and Communion, as well as the fall of the provision (contained always in the Arinze letter) of the parish Mass attendance in at least one Sunday a month. It came out a question and answer in many voices (the press conference is coming at the end), in which some Italian journalists in the final barrage of questions, they expressly requested addition to the bread even if the wine would be from now on then got to his feet. It 'hard to remember the individual moments, but then point that Kiko has responded with a "We'll see, will decide the individual bishop," which probably has some relations with those reported by the media. A response to Kiko, which some journalists - among them also the writer of these lines - have interpreted as referring to those parts of the celebration neocatecumenale which remain subject to decisions of the diocesan bishop.
In fact, the Statutes of the Way Art. 13 states: "The Neocatechumenals celebrate the Sunday Eucharist in the small community, after the first vespers of Sunday. This celebration takes place in accordance with the provisions of the diocesan bishop. " Therefore subject to the explicit directives issued by the Holy See and any handouts, everything else is subject to the bishop. With regard to the Eucharist, however, as noted, the words of statutes are crystal clear: "As regards the distribution of Holy Communion under both species, the neocatechumens receive it standing, remaining in their places." Really seems to be little room for any "loopholes".
loophole that of the rest, as we have already written, do not seem to serve. As is confirmed two days after the press conference by the same father Mario Pezzi (with Kiko and Carmen, which is the international team responsible for the Neocatechumenal) during the Eucharistic celebration held on Sunday Neocatecumenale June 15 at the center of Porto San Giorgio, in the presence of Cardinal Rylko, president of the Pontifical Council for the Laity, is the bread that the wine has been received under the new rules that will be expanded over time (a few weeks, according to tradition oral) to all the communities along the route. In detail, then, came the moment of communion the priest celebrant, as always, will say: "Blessed are invited to the table of the Lord: Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world" and the faithful respond with the classic "O Lord I am not worthy to receive you but only say the word and I shall be healed. " Then the celebrant will the breaking of bread and the distribution thereof. Will move him to the place of the individual believer, who remained standing hand you hands forward: on the left hand, the celebrant will lay the piece of unleavened bread. The faithful, standing and with bread in hand, wait until it is completed the distribution of the Eucharist to all, until the celebrant, who returned to his post, says: "The body of Christ to watch over us eternal life, amen" . At that point all, standing at the same time, communicate. Having done that, and the traditional silence, take a seat. At the time of the consummation of the bread is finished, the celebrant says: "The Blood di Cristo ci custodisca per la vita eterna, amen” e berrà dal Calice, stando in piedi, con i fedeli seduti. A quel punto, inizierà la distribuzione del Sangue di Cristo: il sacerdote si recherà al posto di ogni singolo fedele, il quale si alzerà in piedi vedendolo avvicinarsi e prenderà il Calice – in piedi – per comunicarsi. Immediatamente dopo averlo fatto, tornerà nuovamente seduto, mentre il celebrante continuerà il giro dei fedeli distribuendo il Vino consacrato ai fedeli che di volta in volta si alzeranno per bere il Vino. Una volta terminato il giro, la celebrazione continuerà secondo consuetudine. Questo è quanto, al momento. Il dilemma pane/vino e in piedi/seduti sembra avere i contorni di a misunderstanding: speaking of wine to get seated, Kiko was referring to the past, trying to explain the reasons for a practice that will now change, not this one. This, of course, unless the records of the press conference did not make clear who wrote the words that are literally escaped. Beyond words
costs in this as in every other press conference, however, clear that it will be very easy to understand what the guidelines launched by the team of the Way: the communities are scattered all over Italy and the celebrations Neocatechumenals - the require the States - "shall be open to other believers." So, in a short time, just take a Saturday night free from other commitments and go see for yourself.